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	<title>Comments on: Strongspace meet Thumpers, Thumpers meet Strongspace</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Adams</title>
		<link>http://joyeur.com/2006/10/30/strongspace-meet-thumpers-thumpers-meet-strongspace/#comment-1064</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Adams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David &#8211; doesn&#8217;t that cause it to download a large file again to do a comparison? I prefer running rsync on the remote end to avoid all of the metadata &amp; comparison traffic for syncing a large tree with relatively few changes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211; doesn&#8217;t that cause it to download a large file again to do a comparison? I prefer running rsync on the remote end to avoid all of the metadata &#038; comparison traffic for syncing a large tree with relatively few changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Fitzsimmons</title>
		<link>http://joyeur.com/2006/10/30/strongspace-meet-thumpers-thumpers-meet-strongspace/#comment-1063</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Fitzsimmons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 02:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah…I added -u to the mix to not overwrite newer files. That seems to have done the trick. It seems that it doesn&#8217;t retain dates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah…I added -u to the mix to not overwrite newer files. That seems to have done the trick. It seems that it doesn&#8217;t retain dates.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Fitzsimmons</title>
		<link>http://joyeur.com/2006/10/30/strongspace-meet-thumpers-thumpers-meet-strongspace/#comment-1062</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Fitzsimmons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 01:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do the Joyeurs have a sample rsync command that should work with Bingo?

	I probably did something that doesn&#8217;t work like preserving ownership or something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do the Joyeurs have a sample rsync command that should work with Bingo?</p>
<p>	I probably did something that doesn&#8217;t work like preserving ownership or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Fitzsimmons</title>
		<link>http://joyeur.com/2006/10/30/strongspace-meet-thumpers-thumpers-meet-strongspace/#comment-1061</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Fitzsimmons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I tried that rsync method, but it kept re-uploading the same stuff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried that rsync method, but it kept re-uploading the same stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: David Young</title>
		<link>http://joyeur.com/2006/10/30/strongspace-meet-thumpers-thumpers-meet-strongspace/#comment-1060</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Young]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Chris: Bingo supports rsync. Mount your Bingo disk via WebDAV, then use rsync to do the copies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris: Bingo supports rsync. Mount your Bingo disk via WebDAV, then use rsync to do the copies.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Adams</title>
		<link>http://joyeur.com/2006/10/30/strongspace-meet-thumpers-thumpers-meet-strongspace/#comment-1059</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Adams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As far as merging the two products go, I don&#8217;t really care about encryption as I&#8217;d use an encrypted file / image for anything truly sensitive but I&#8217;d really like to be able to access my storage using rsync as well as WebDAV. Now I&#8217;m wondering whether to go with Bingo now or wait for the Strongspace pricing to adjust.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as merging the two products go, I don&#8217;t really care about encryption as I&#8217;d use an encrypted file / image for anything truly sensitive but I&#8217;d really like to be able to access my storage using rsync as well as WebDAV. Now I&#8217;m wondering whether to go with Bingo now or wait for the Strongspace pricing to adjust.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#8217;s a reassuring level of redundancy. Seriously.

	I guess tho&#8217; what I was asking was by the time 11 drives have gone, are you right in the busy part of the bell curve? Would you preemptively replace a pack of drives after, say, half a dozen had gone? Or swap a few around between Thumpers to mix it up a little? Or has Sun thought of all this and done some mixing of its own? Or is it all really a non issue because the lease will have expired before even 2 or 3 drives have gone?

	Like I said, just asking out of interest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a reassuring level of redundancy. Seriously.</p>
<p>	I guess tho&#8217; what I was asking was by the time 11 drives have gone, are you right in the busy part of the bell curve? Would you preemptively replace a pack of drives after, say, half a dozen had gone? Or swap a few around between Thumpers to mix it up a little? Or has Sun thought of all this and done some mixing of its own? Or is it all really a non issue because the lease will have expired before even 2 or 3 drives have gone?</p>
<p>	Like I said, just asking out of interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Fitzsimmons</title>
		<link>http://joyeur.com/2006/10/30/strongspace-meet-thumpers-thumpers-meet-strongspace/#comment-1057</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Fitzsimmons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, when will the Strongspace pricing reflect this wonderful new era? Currently it still lists 100GiB as being $100/monh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, when will the Strongspace pricing reflect this wonderful new era? Currently it still lists 100GiB as being $100/monh.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Hoffman</title>
		<link>http://joyeur.com/2006/10/30/strongspace-meet-thumpers-thumpers-meet-strongspace/#comment-1056</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Hoffman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Reinier Yep that&#8217;s the idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Reinier Yep that&#8217;s the idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Hoffman</title>
		<link>http://joyeur.com/2006/10/30/strongspace-meet-thumpers-thumpers-meet-strongspace/#comment-1055</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Hoffman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@andrew if you take a look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://joyeur.com/2006/08/29/oh-thumpers-oh-thumpers&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; then you’ll see

	raidz2 c{5,4,7,6,1,0}t4d0 c{4,7,6,1,0}t0d0 \ {can lose 2; notice how it cuts across controllers}raidz2 c{5,4,7,6,1,0}t5d0 c{4,7,6,1,0}t1d0 \ {can lose 2; notice how it cuts across controllers}raidz2 c{5,4,7,6,1,0}t6d0 c{4,7,6,1,0}t2d0 \ {can lose 2; notice how it cuts across controllers}raidz2 c{5,4,7,6,1,0}t7d0 c{4,7,6,1,0}t3d0 \ {can lose 2; notice how it cuts across controllers}spare c5t{1,2,3}d0 {three hot spares}

	We can lose 8 drives (across 4 double parity groups), but then also have 3 hot spares (and hot does mean that they’ll just take over in case of a failure and resilver). 

	So of the 46 drives (substract 2 from the 48 that are kept out for boot and boot recovery), we can lose 11 drives before it would be a good idea to head in and replace some drives.

	Also there’s no controller cabling or the like to fail because of the design.

	Then in the case of containers, add mirroring across thumpers to that … and we’re pretty comfortable with the setup.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@andrew if you take a look at <a href="http://joyeur.com/2006/08/29/oh-thumpers-oh-thumpers" rel="nofollow">this post</a> then you’ll see</p>
<p>	raidz2 c{5,4,7,6,1,0}t4d0 c{4,7,6,1,0}t0d0 \ {can lose 2; notice how it cuts across controllers}raidz2 c{5,4,7,6,1,0}t5d0 c{4,7,6,1,0}t1d0 \ {can lose 2; notice how it cuts across controllers}raidz2 c{5,4,7,6,1,0}t6d0 c{4,7,6,1,0}t2d0 \ {can lose 2; notice how it cuts across controllers}raidz2 c{5,4,7,6,1,0}t7d0 c{4,7,6,1,0}t3d0 \ {can lose 2; notice how it cuts across controllers}spare c5t{1,2,3}d0 {three hot spares}</p>
<p>	We can lose 8 drives (across 4 double parity groups), but then also have 3 hot spares (and hot does mean that they’ll just take over in case of a failure and resilver). </p>
<p>	So of the 46 drives (substract 2 from the 48 that are kept out for boot and boot recovery), we can lose 11 drives before it would be a good idea to head in and replace some drives.</p>
<p>	Also there’s no controller cabling or the like to fail because of the design.</p>
<p>	Then in the case of containers, add mirroring across thumpers to that … and we’re pretty comfortable with the setup.</p>
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