Comments on: Part 2, On Joyent and Cloud Computing "Primitives" http://joyeur.com/2009/03/31/part-2-on-joyent-and-cloud-computing-primitives/ Joyent's Weblog Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:58:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Jason A. Hoffman http://joyeur.com/2009/03/31/part-2-on-joyent-and-cloud-computing-primitives/#comment-4034 Mon, 06 Apr 2009 21:01:08 +0000 http://joycomad.joyent.us/blog/uncategorized/part-2-on-joyent-and-cloud-computing-primitives/#comment-4034 Hi Vance, first this fine venue for venting and thank you for doing it.

1) The SMART space doesn’t have to be high priced, and the same argument about control could be made for why we should code everything in assembly.

2) Completely agree on getting our pkg-src builds from their 6 month cycles to the quarterly builds and that’s going to happen. Also on spinning up new accelerators and documentation, we’re investing a lot in these.

3) By magic, you likely mean something that happens where you can’t instrument it, can’t debug it, can’t introspect into it. We completely agree on this. One can still do something practical, great, innovative and once you can introspect into it and know everything that’s going on, the idea that it’s “magic” should disappear. Are standard UNIX APIs magic?

4) This isn’t about day dreaming or prattling. It’s a blog, where I’m blogging, it’s not roadmaps or press releases or anything like that.

]]> By: Vance Dubberly http://joyeur.com/2009/03/31/part-2-on-joyent-and-cloud-computing-primitives/#comment-4033 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:08:34 +0000 http://joycomad.joyent.us/blog/uncategorized/part-2-on-joyent-and-cloud-computing-primitives/#comment-4033 I think there is alot of money to made in the SMART/Google Apps/ Aptana space by the people who supply such services. Because it completely removes the ability of the developer to fine tune, optimize, and make his application efficient. Lazy developers with more money than brains or experience flock to these kinds of services. But no developer/architect worth his salt will touch them, the cost is too high, the control to little. They are great for the newbie that is learning and bad for everybody else. This in turn makes the service provider quite rich as he’s hosting tons of badly written applications that consume far more resources than they need and is solving the problem by automatically throwing more hardware at bad code. More hardware = more profit and if you’re smart and use a thumper that mean less hardware can handle more bad code.

Thanks guys but how about bringing pkg-src to within 6 months of current and making sure if packages are in it they actually work? Making it so I can get an Accelerator up in under 24 hours ( ALL your competitors can do it in under 2 minutes ). Writing some documentation on the knowledge base?

Yes Yes I know cloud computing will make it so you don’t have to do any of that, “Just push a button and your application will magically run. No need to worry about whether the right libraries are installed, or whether software will compile, it’ll all just run, like magic.” If there is anything you should already know about developers, it’s that we HATE magic.

Don’t get me wrong, you’ve some amazingly talented staff. You just need more of them and less of this prattling on about how you’re hardware infrastructure is well suited to build a “Pure Cloud”. I know you’re hardware rocks that’s why I spend money with you. But frankly most everything above the hardware layer is a mess. Focus on fixing that, then you can go back to day dreaming.

Man I guess I’m feeling pretty frustrated. Oh well it’s all true even if it’s not the right place to post, so I’ll post anyway.

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